Contact Ideology
Last updated 26 October 2021
'Contact ideology' refers to the beliefs of MAPs and allies about whether sexual activity or romantic relationships between children and adults are fundamentally abusive, whether social or legal reforms are necessary to prevent harm, whether the consumption or distribution of sexual imagery of children is abusive, and more.
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Table of contents
Definitions and Labels
Many communities use their own definitions and labels as they are highly debated within the MAP community.
Open MAP Community's Definitions
- Anti-contact – An ideology among some MAPs that sexual activity between minors and adults would still carry a fundamental risk for harm that outweighs potential benefits even if it were to be legalised and accepted in society.
- Pro-contact – An ideology among some minor-attracted persons (MAPs) that consensual sexual activity between minors and adults would be fundamentally okay if there was no risk of harm from societal stigma or from legal ramifications.
- Contact Neutral – A MAP who is neither anti-contact or pro-contact. Some contact-neutral MAPs believe there is insufficient evidence in support of either side of the ideological spectrum.
Pedophiles About Pedophilia's Ideological Spectrum
This is a quote of Pedophiles About Pedophilia's Ideological Spectrum posted on Pedophiles About Pedophilia that has been adapted to suit OMC's styling. The original work is hosted at https://aboutpedophilia.com/2019/12/21/ideological-spectrum-for-minor-attracted-people.
- Conditional-Contact – People who think that the morality of sexual contact with children depends on the circumstances of each situation and do not believe that the nuances/complexities of the discussion over morality or ideology can be concisely captured using labels but that generally each situation’s morality depends on the outcome and whether or not the child feels harm was done.
- Pro-Legalisation – People who do not believe the current circumstances are appropriate to be sexual with children – unless laws towards children change – and would not act on it even if given the opportunity because of those circumstances, and they want to change the associated laws in their jurisdiction or beyond.
- Pro-Social Reform – People who do not believe the current circumstances are appropriate to be sexual with children unless social attitudes towards children change and would not act on it even if given the opportunity because of those circumstances, and they want to change the associated social attitudes in their area or beyond. This is the most common 'pro-contact' stance.
- Undecided – People who see the merits of arguments on both sides but opt not to take a particular stance for any number of reasons (not the same as using no labels at all). This is essentially middle of the spectrum.
- General Reformist – People who believe that current legislation around age of consent or other laws on sex crime in their jurisdiction should be changed but do not believe that it should allow for sexual activity with young children (ie, Romeo/Juliet situations is okay, teen sexting is okay, sex offender registration laws are ridiculous, etc). They believe more should be done to protect children.
- Anti-Contact – People who believe that sexual contact with minors is generally harmful – and that changing laws/attitudes about it will not make contact less harmful – or the belief that such contact should not be sought because it is, or has the high potential to be, harmful to the child.
- Risk-Averse – People who are against 'acting on' attraction and think that friendship, employment around kids, sexual activity, fantasy, and sexual imagery are risks that can lead to a slippery slope. They may go even further to eschew any and all sexual thoughts/fantasies around children.
VirPed's Ideological Spectrum
This is a quote of VirPed's Ideological Spectrum posted on BoyChat that has been adapted to suit OMC's styling. Unfortunately, OMC was unable to recover an original link to this spectrum. If you are aware of a public place where this spectrum can be found, please contact us!
- Hands-on Offenders – People who actually have sexual contact with kids.
- Would like to but don't – People who think it's OK to have sexual contact with kids today, but don't – maybe no opportunities, can't find a kid they fancy or vice versa, don't think that the opportunities they find can be kept secret, etc.
- Pro-legalisation – Against adult-child sex today, until/unless laws and attitudes changed – but very much in favour of changing those laws. Typically it is expressed with anger at society – it's a big deal to them emotionally.
- Humble/Laid Back – Leaves it up to society to figure out appropriate ages of consent, realising that they have a selfish interest in lower ones, and maybe it actually does cloud their thinking, so they set that aside. Of course we all have our opinions and intuitions. To the extent they are for lower AoCs, they recognise that it's not helpful for them to advertise them publicly, and it's not helpful to dwell on them privately with anger or even intense focus.
- Anti-contact – Thinking that adult-child sex is wrong, with a risk of serious harm that cannot be eliminated by changes in laws or attitudes
Visions of Alice's Definitions
This is a quote of Visions of Alice's Alicelovers Magazine Issue 4 that has been adapted to suit OMC's styling. The original work is hosted at https://visionsofalice.net/ezine.htm.
- Anti-Contact Paedophiles – This is a term recently perpetuated by the mainstream media with the advent of Virtuous Pedophiles. This means minor-attracted persons who believe they should avoid children at all costs.
- Freedom-of-Choice Paedophiles – MAPs describing themselves as believing in ‘Freedom-of-choice’ argue minors can and should choose whether they wish to have sexual interactions with any adult (and have or can attain the skills necessary to make these decisions properly). Although, it is regularly confused with the term ‘pro-contact’, some MAPs reject the rather broad definition of it in favour of 'freedom-of-choice'.
Media and Articles
2021
Counting the distressed CP victims Edwards, E. (2021). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/182-Counting-the-distressed-CP-victims.html.
Issues in the contemporary anti contact community Lecter. (2021). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2021/05/30/issues-in-the-contemporary-anti-contact-community.
Pro contacts and assimilationism Lecter. (2021). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2021/06/27/pro-contacts-and-assimilationism.
Stop researching paedophilia Autumn, M. (2021). https://blog.mapcommunity.org/miami/stop-researching-paedophilia.
The Internet Watch Foundation — Comparing harm from viewing to other harms Edwards, E. (2021). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/165-The-Internet-Watch-Foundation-Comparing-Harm-From-Viewing-to-Other-Harms.html.
Why I refuse to use the term 'child sexual abuse' Autumn, M. (2021). https://blog.mapcommunity.org/miami/the-term-child-sexual-abuse.
2020
An issue with pro cs – Scientific aspect (1) Lecter. (2020). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2020/03/28/an-issue-with-pro-cs-scientific-aspect-1.
An issue with pro cs – Scientific aspect (2) Lecter. (2020). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2020/03/28/an-issue-with-pro-cs-scientific-aspect-2.
An issue with pro cs – Scientific aspect (3) Lecter. (2020). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2020/03/29/an-issue-with-pro-cs-scientific-aspect-3.
Bailey's middle path regarding adult-child sex Edwards, E. (2020). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/161-Baileys-middle-path-regarding-adult-child-sex.html.
Debunking pro cs – A masterpost Lecter. (2020). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2020/03/29/debunking-pro-cs-a-masterpost.
My anti contact manifesto Lecter (2020). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2020/05/10/my-anti-contact-manifesto.
2019
Anti c vs pro c vs pro reform Lecter. (2019). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2019/09/12/anti-c-vs-pro-c-vs-pro-reform.
From a CP download trace to a crime — All the ways to go astray Edwards, E. (2019). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/150-From-a-CP-download-trace-to-a-crime-all-the-ways-to-go-astray.html.
Hysteria vs analysis regarding CP images online Edwards, E. (2019). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/152-Hysteria-vs-Analysis-Regarding-CP-Images-Online.html.
Funding to reduce CSA is never specifically to catch passive CP viewers. Edwards, E. (2019). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/155-Funding-to-reduce-CSA-is-never-specifically-to-catch-passive-CP-viewers..html.
Pro cs and child abuse Lecter. (2019). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2019/12/07/pro-cs-and-child-abuse.
Surprise #3: What of two 13-year-olds having sex? Edwards, E. (2019). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/146-Surprise-3-What-of-two-13-year-olds-having-sex.html.
Unparalleled legal uncertainty of CP Edwards, E. (2019). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/148-Unparalleled-Legal-Uncertainty-of-CP.html.
Why CP possession penalties are unjust – A summary Edwards, E. (2019). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/154-Why-CP-possession-penalties-are-unjust-a-summary.html.
Why pro cs are like transmeds Lecter. (2019). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2019/12/22/why-pro-cs-are-like-transmeds.
2018
Brain growth and AOC (Draft) Lecter. (2018). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2018/08/22/brain-growth-and-aoc-draft.
Lessons from mass shootings for CP viewing Edwards, E. (2018) https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/134-Lessons-from-mass-shootings-for-CP-viewing.html.
The (not) reasons I’m anti-contact Fury, TN. (2018). https://aboutpedophilia.com/2018/11/04/the-not-reasons-im-anti-contact.
The meaning of term anti-contact Lecter. (2018). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2018/08/22/the-meaning-of-term-anti-contact.
** Why 25 as an AoC opens gates to pro c rhetoric** Lecter. (2018). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/why-25-as-an-aoc-opens-gates-to-pro-c-rhetoric.
Why pro-contact pedophile arguments are bullshit (by a pedophile) Rede, B. (2018). https://aboutpedophilia.com/2018/09/07/why-pro-contact-pedophile-arguments-are-bullshit-by-a-pedophile.
Why sex with children is always rape Lecter. (2018). https://wierstamann.wordpress.com/2018/08/22/why-sex-with-children-is-always-rape.
2017
2016
Child sex abuse — recorded or not Edwards, E. (2016). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/102-Child-sex-abuse-recorded-or-not.html.
CP viewing and raw prejudice Edwards, E. (2016). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/104-CP-Viewing-and-Raw-Prejudice.html.
Discuss: Looking at CP is not a victimless crime Edwards, E. (2016). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/96-Discuss-Looking-at-CP-is-not-a-victimless-crime.html.
Does this link point to CP? Edwards, E. (2016). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/109-Does-this-link-point-to-CP.html.
Mandated reporting: the pedophile perspective Edwards, E. (2016). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/107-Mandated-reporting-the-pedophile-perspective.html.
Saving kids from child porn — Possession, that is Edwards, E. (2016). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/100-Saving-Kids-From-Child-Porn-Possession,-That-Is.html.
What if ordinary porn was illegal? Edwards, E. (2016). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/112-What-if-ordinary-porn-was-illegal.html.
2015
Costs and benefits for prepubescents Edwards, E. (2015). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/73-Costs-and-benefits-for-prepubescents.html.
Critique of StopItNow's anti-CP campaign Edwards, E. (2015). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/87-Critique-of-StopItNows-Anti-CP-campaign.html.
How things change when the girl is 13 instead of 8 Edwards, E. (2015). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/74-How-things-change-when-the-girl-is-13-instead-of-8.html.
Pro-contact and anti-contact pedophiles Edwards, E. (2015). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/68-Pro-contact-and-anti-contact-pedophiles.html.
Sex is special Edwards, E. (2015). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/72-Sex-is-special.html.
The failure of absolutes Edwards, E. (2015). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/71-The-failure-of-absolutes.html.
The political disaster of the pro-contact view Edwards, E. (2015). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/69-The-political-disaster-of-the-pro-contact-view.html.
Transforming society to allow adult-child sex? Edwards, E. (2015). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/75-Transforming-society-to-allow-adult-child-sex.html.
Truly universal suffrage: Lowering the voting age to zero Edwards, E. (2015). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/83-Truly-universal-suffrage-Lowering-the-voting-age-to-zero.html.
What sorts of child sexuality are OK? Edwards, E. (2015). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/70-What-sorts-of-child-sexuality-are-OK.html.
Why pedophiles (and others) should not have sex with kids Edwards, E. (2015). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/67-Why-pedophiles-and-others-should-not-have-sex-with-kids.html.
2014
Another variable: What kids think of sex Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/46-Another-variable-What-kids-think-of-sex.html.
Do you believe in telepathy? Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/32-Do-you-believe-in-telepathy.html.
Harm to children in child pornography Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/18-Harm-to-children-in-child-pornography.html.
How does CP viewing affect contact offending? Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/43-How-does-CP-viewing-affect-contact-offending.html.
How far apart the sides can be... Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/44-How-far-apart-the-sides-can-be....html.
John Grisham on CP: The bad and the good Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/49-John-Grisham-on-CP-The-bad-and-the-good.html.
Keep kids safer: Get rid of mandated reporting! Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/21-Keep-kids-safer-Get-rid-of-mandated-reporting!.html.
More on CP — preparing to go digging Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/62-More-on-CP-preparing-to-go-digging.html.
Police rushing to disrupt families Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/36-Police-rushing-to-disrupt-families.html.
Pulling CP apart — other aspects Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/65-Pulling-CP-apart-other-aspects.html.
Pulling CP apart — the activity Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/64-Pulling-CP-apart-the-activity.html.
Pulling CP apart — the child's reaction Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/63-Pulling-CP-apart-the-childs-reaction.html.
Real child pornography Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/17-Real-Child-Pornography.html.
Seto's “Internet Sex Offenders” on CP Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/28-Setos-Internet-Sex-Offenders-on-CP.html.
The elusive harm of viewing CP Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/33-The-elusive-harm-of-viewing-CP.html.
The right to be left alone — short and sweet Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/48-The-right-to-be-left-alone-short-and-sweet.html.
What if adult rape was a mandated reporting offense? Edwards, E. (2014). https://celibatepedos.virped.org/archives/51-What-if-adult-rape-was-a-mandated-reporting-offense.html.
Research and Resources
Growing up sexually: A world atlas – A cross-cultural atlas of societies that integrated childlove in some capacity.
IPCE – 'Ipce started as a forum for people who are engaged in scholarly discussion about the understanding and emancipation of mutual relationships between children or adolescents and adults.'
Newgon Wiki – 'Facts, opinions, arguments, research and testimonies relating to physical attractions and relationships between minors and adults'.
CC0 Public Domain Work (only applies to pages under #Resources)